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[quote="vngelis"]Θα γενικευση τον πολεμο στο Αφγανισταν ελεγε προεκλογικα ο Ομπαμα και θα κυνηγαγε τον Μπιν Λαντεν στις καλυβες του Αφγανισταν. Τωρα μας λενε οτι Αγγλοι Πακιστανοι ειναι ταχα πισω απ'τις επιθεσεις στο επιχειρηματικο κεντρο της Ινδιας, το Μουμβαι. Απο τοτε που ξεφωρτωσαν τον Μουσαραφ, τον κολλητος τους στο Πακισταν, εφαγαν την Μπουτο εφεραν τον ανδρα της στην εξουσια, προσπαθουν να χρησιμοποιησουν τον Πακιστανικο στρατο στον πολεμο του Αφγανισταν. Γενικευσαν τις τρομοκρατικες επιθεσεις στο Πακισταν αρχικα με τον βομβαρδισμο ενος ξενοδοχειου και τωρα επαναλαμβαν το ιδιο στις Ινδιες. Με αυτο τον τροπο προσπαθουν να πιεσουν το Πακισταν να κανει αυτο που θελουν τωρα που οι Ινδοι θα στραφουν εναντιων του.... Πιο πολλα στην σελιδα αυτη http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=127845#127845 Red Alert: Possible Geopolitical Consequences of the Mumbai Attacks (Open Access) Stratfor Today » November 27, 2008 | 0434 GMT Fire at Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel after Nov. 26 attack A fire in the dome of the Taj Hotel in Mumbai on Nov. 26 If the Nov. 26 attacks in Mumbai were carried out by Islamist militants as it appears, the Indian government will have little choice, politically speaking, but to blame them on Pakistan. That will in turn spark a crisis between the two nuclear rivals that will draw the United States into the fray. * Militant Attacks In Mumbai and Their Consequences At this point the situation on the ground in Mumbai remains unclear following the militant attacks of Nov. 26. But in order to understand the geopolitical significance of what is going on, it is necessary to begin looking beyond this event at what will follow. Though the situation is still in motion, the likely consequences of the attack are less murky. We will begin by assuming that the attackers are Islamist militant groups operating in India, possibly with some level of outside support from Pakistan. We can also see quite clearly that this was a carefully planned, well-executed attack. Given this, the Indian government has two choices. First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public. On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action. This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were. That, in turn, will plunge India and Pakistan into the worst crisis they have had since 2002. If the Pakistanis are understood to be responsible for the attack, then the Indians must hold them responsible, and that means they will have to take action in retaliation — otherwise, the Indian government’s domestic credibility will plunge. The shape of the crisis, then, will consist of demands that the Pakistanis take immediate steps to suppress Islamist radicals across the board, but particularly in Kashmir. New Delhi will demand that this action be immediate and public. This demand will come parallel to U.S. demands for the same actions, and threats by incoming U.S. President Barack Obama to force greater cooperation from Pakistan. If that happens, Pakistan will find itself in a nutcracker. On the one side, the Indians will be threatening action — deliberately vague but menacing — along with the Americans. This will be even more intense if it turns out, as currently seems likely, that Americans and Europeans were being held hostage (or worse) in the two hotels that were attacked. If the attacks are traced to Pakistan, American demands will escalate well in advance of inauguration day. There is a precedent for this. In 2002 there was an attack on the Indian parliament in Mumbai by Islamist militants linked to Pakistan. A near-nuclear confrontation took place between India and Pakistan, in which the United States brokered a stand-down in return for intensified Pakistani pressure on the Islamists. The crisis helped redefine the Pakistani position on Islamist radicals in Pakistan. In the current iteration, the demands will be even more intense. The Indians and Americans will have a joint interest in forcing the Pakistani government to act decisively and immediately. The Pakistani government has warned that such pressure could destabilize Pakistan. The Indians will not be in a position to moderate their position, and the Americans will see the situation as an opportunity to extract major concessions. Thus the crisis will directly intersect U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan. It is not clear the degree to which the Pakistani government can control the situation. But the Indians will have no choice but to be assertive, and the United States will move along the same line. Whether it is the current government in India that reacts, or one that succeeds doesn’t matter. Either way, India is under enormous pressure to respond. Therefore the events point to a serious crisis not simply between Pakistan and India, but within Pakistan as well, with the government caught between foreign powers and domestic realities. Given the circumstances, massive destabilization is possible — never a good thing with a nuclear power. This is thinking far ahead of the curve, and is based on an assumption of the truth of something we don’t know for certain yet, which is that the attackers were Muslims and that the Pakistanis will not be able to demonstrate categorically that they weren’t involved. Since we suspect they were Muslims, and since we doubt the Pakistanis can be categorical and convincing enough to thwart Indian demands, we suspect that we will be deep into a crisis within the next few days, very shortly after the situation on the ground clarifies itself. http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20081126_red_alert[/quote]
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vngelis
Δημοσιεύθηκε: Τρι Δεκ 02, 2008 2:04 am
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Ρεπορταζ οπου μιλανε αυτοπτης μαρτυρες οπου λενε οτι λευκοι ξενοι εκαναν τις δολοφονιες...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kr67rHBmngQ&eurl=http://whatreallyhappened.com/
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Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ Δεκ 01, 2008 12:53 am
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Ποιοι ειναι πισω απ'τα 'τρομοκρατικα χτυπηματα' στις Ινδιες
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20081129&articleId=11217
Ο Ελληνο-Κυπριος με Αγγλικο διαβατηριο Αντωνης Λιβερας
που υποτιθεται σκωτοθηκε απ'τους 'τρομοκρατες' μετα απο συνετευξη που εδωσε στο BBC. Τωρα πως εδωσε συνετευξη οταν ειταν κρατουμενος απο οπλισμενους σε καναλι και μετα τον βρηκαν με 7 σφαιρες στο σωμα μονο οι δημοσιογραφοι της πλακας θα μας εξυγησουν...
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/his-last-words
-before-death/1372655.aspx
Σε καθημερινη εφημεριδα του Πακισταν μιλανε οτι ισως γινει στρατιωτικο πραξικοπημα στο Νεο Δελχι
http://www.daily.pk/politics/politicalnews/8391-signs-of-an-attempted-coup-in-new-delhi.html
vngelis
Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ Νοέ 28, 2008 7:45 pm
Θέμα δημοσίευσης: Σκια του Μπρεζινσκι-Ομπαμα Πισω απ'την Επιθεση στις Ινδιες;
Θα γενικευση τον πολεμο στο Αφγανισταν ελεγε προεκλογικα ο Ομπαμα και θα κυνηγαγε τον Μπιν Λαντεν στις καλυβες του Αφγανισταν. Τωρα μας λενε οτι Αγγλοι Πακιστανοι ειναι ταχα πισω απ'τις επιθεσεις στο επιχειρηματικο κεντρο της Ινδιας, το Μουμβαι.
Απο τοτε που ξεφωρτωσαν τον Μουσαραφ, τον κολλητος τους στο Πακισταν, εφαγαν την Μπουτο εφεραν τον ανδρα της στην εξουσια, προσπαθουν να χρησιμοποιησουν τον Πακιστανικο στρατο στον πολεμο του Αφγανισταν.
Γενικευσαν τις τρομοκρατικες επιθεσεις στο Πακισταν αρχικα με τον βομβαρδισμο ενος ξενοδοχειου και τωρα επαναλαμβαν το ιδιο στις Ινδιες. Με αυτο τον τροπο προσπαθουν να πιεσουν το Πακισταν να κανει αυτο που θελουν τωρα που οι Ινδοι θα στραφουν εναντιων του....
Πιο πολλα στην σελιδα αυτη
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=127845#127845
Red Alert: Possible Geopolitical Consequences of the Mumbai Attacks (Open Access)
Stratfor Today » November 27, 2008 | 0434 GMT
Fire at Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel after Nov. 26 attack
A fire in the dome of the Taj Hotel in Mumbai on Nov. 26
If the Nov. 26 attacks in Mumbai were carried out by Islamist militants as it appears, the Indian government will have little choice, politically speaking, but to blame them on Pakistan. That will in turn spark a crisis between the two nuclear rivals that will draw the United States into the fray.
* Militant Attacks In Mumbai and Their Consequences
At this point the situation on the ground in Mumbai remains unclear following the militant attacks of Nov. 26. But in order to understand the geopolitical significance of what is going on, it is necessary to begin looking beyond this event at what will follow. Though the situation is still in motion, the likely consequences of the attack are less murky.
We will begin by assuming that the attackers are Islamist militant groups operating in India, possibly with some level of outside support from Pakistan. We can also see quite clearly that this was a carefully planned, well-executed attack.
Given this, the Indian government has two choices. First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public. On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action. This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were.
That, in turn, will plunge India and Pakistan into the worst crisis they have had since 2002. If the Pakistanis are understood to be responsible for the attack, then the Indians must hold them responsible, and that means they will have to take action in retaliation — otherwise, the Indian government’s domestic credibility will plunge. The shape of the crisis, then, will consist of demands that the Pakistanis take immediate steps to suppress Islamist radicals across the board, but particularly in Kashmir. New Delhi will demand that this action be immediate and public. This demand will come parallel to U.S. demands for the same actions, and threats by incoming U.S. President Barack Obama to force greater cooperation from Pakistan.
If that happens, Pakistan will find itself in a nutcracker. On the one side, the Indians will be threatening action — deliberately vague but menacing — along with the Americans. This will be even more intense if it turns out, as currently seems likely, that Americans and Europeans were being held hostage (or worse) in the two hotels that were attacked. If the attacks are traced to Pakistan, American demands will escalate well in advance of inauguration day.
There is a precedent for this. In 2002 there was an attack on the Indian parliament in Mumbai by Islamist militants linked to Pakistan. A near-nuclear confrontation took place between India and Pakistan, in which the United States brokered a stand-down in return for intensified Pakistani pressure on the Islamists. The crisis helped redefine the Pakistani position on Islamist radicals in Pakistan.
In the current iteration, the demands will be even more intense. The Indians and Americans will have a joint interest in forcing the Pakistani government to act decisively and immediately. The Pakistani government has warned that such pressure could destabilize Pakistan. The Indians will not be in a position to moderate their position, and the Americans will see the situation as an opportunity to extract major concessions. Thus the crisis will directly intersect U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan.
It is not clear the degree to which the Pakistani government can control the situation. But the Indians will have no choice but to be assertive, and the United States will move along the same line. Whether it is the current government in India that reacts, or one that succeeds doesn’t matter. Either way, India is under enormous pressure to respond. Therefore the events point to a serious crisis not simply between Pakistan and India, but within Pakistan as well, with the government caught between foreign powers and domestic realities. Given the circumstances, massive destabilization is possible — never a good thing with a nuclear power.
This is thinking far ahead of the curve, and is based on an assumption of the truth of something we don’t know for certain yet, which is that the attackers were Muslims and that the Pakistanis will not be able to demonstrate categorically that they weren’t involved. Since we suspect they were Muslims, and since we doubt the Pakistanis can be categorical and convincing enough to thwart Indian demands, we suspect that we will be deep into a crisis within the next few days, very shortly after the situation on the ground clarifies itself.
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20081126_red_alert
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